Re: Complaints to the Board

Reply to Mr. Post

Saturday, February 06, 2010

10:48 AM

Mr. Post;

The Master By-Laws section 2.3 Privileges and Rights paragraph (c) spells out how members shall conduct themselves (highlighted), furthermore this paragraph also spells out what the responsibilities of the Board are for this unscrupulous and slanderous  attacks against their fellow neighbors. (underlined)

Mr. Post, these false and malicious statements that damages members reputations are a far greater liability for SCSCAI than ignoring errant golf balls and broken windows. I would suggest that you visit LensCrafters, then you will see the governing documents as written.

Deliberate use of hate speech to trash the reputation of your fellow neighbor is not protected by rights of free speech, everyone has to be held accountable for their words and deeds.

Dwain Kramzar - dues paying homeowner/Common Sense Canidate

702.838.5049

PS. Both Mr. Steinman and you agreed that no action would be taken at this time. Translated=drop in file 13. (listen to the audio recording)

On 2/5/2010 11:54 AM, Richard Post wrote:

Mr. Kramzar,

You brought this before the Board at our January meeting and both Mr. Steinman and myself responded to your complaint.  You are attempting to deprive the officers of the Resident's Forum when they are not performing the duties of their office of their rights of free speech during an election.  You may not agree with the answer you were provided at the meeting, but you did receive an answer.

I, for one, see no violation of our governing documents.  Indeed, if our governing documents prohibited such activity I believe that would be unconstitutional.

Richard Post

From: DAK

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:00 PM

To: Allan Baer/IT ; Orin "Bud" Cook ; Pat Cullen ; Ken Caroccia ; Marilyn LeVasseur ; Richard Post ; Bob Robey ; David Steinman ; Ron Winkel

Cc: ,Sun City Summerlin-Blog ; SCOOP

Subject: Complaints to the Board

Tuesday, February 02, 2010

9:21 AM

Mr. Ron Winkel - ED

Mr. Post, President

Board of Directors, Sun City Summerlin

On January 26, 2009 I brought  to your attention the blatant case of Electioneering by a small group of residents in control of the Residents Form/Concerned Citizens and publications The Sun City News You Can Use/The Village Voice and the use of US Mail to attempt to win votes in an election by being insincere, unscrupulous and slanderous against their fellow neighbors. These blatant acts are in direct violations of our governing documents that the Board has the responsibility to uphold.  Again on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 I registered three Complaints to the Board, complaint #3 dealing with Electoral fraud. The Board chose to ignore this formal complaint therefore violating all of Sun City's home-owners rights and are in violation of the Master By-Laws, NRS 116 and Federal Laws.

Master By-Laws

Tuesday, February 02, 2010

9:06 AM

(c) No member or group of members, whether or not sponsored by a chartered club, or any other person or persons, shall so conduct themselves in or on Association property so as to jeopardize the rights and privileges of other Association members, their guests or any other person or persons. A cease and desist order may be issued by the Association s Board of Directors against such infractions and, upon failure of such infractor(s) to comply with said order, denial of the use of Association property for such practices may be ordered by the Board and/or suspension of membership may be initiated pursuant to Section 2.5, supra.

For over ten years of this hateful behavior has deprived Association members the retirement Lifestyle as provided in the governing documents. I would suggest the Board to use common sense and rectify these unscrupulous conditions, it would be a mistake to ignore them again.

I hope I have made myself perfectly clear; if you have any questions do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain A Kramzar - Home-owner

702.838.5049

Complaints to the Board

Tuesday, February 02, 2010

9:21 AM

Mr. Ron Winkel - ED

Mr. Post, President

Board of Directors, Sun City Summerlin

On January 26, 2009 I brought  to your attention the blatant case of Electioneering by a small group of residents in control of the Residents Form/Concerned Citizens and publications The Sun City News You Can Use/The Village Voice and the use of US Mail to attempt to win votes in an election by being insincere, unscrupulous and slanderous against their fellow neighbors. These blatant acts are in direct violations of our governing documents that the Board has the responsibility to uphold.  Again on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 I registered three Complaints to the Board, complaint #3 dealing with Electoral fraud. The Board chose to ignore this formal complaint therefore violating all of Sun City's home-owners rights and are in violation of the Master By-Laws, NRS 116 and Federal Laws.

Master By-Laws

Tuesday, February 02, 2010

9:06 AM

(c) No member or group of members, whether or not sponsored by a chartered club, or any other person or persons, shall so conduct themselves in or on Association property so as to jeopardize the rights and privileges of other Association members, their guests or any other person or persons. A cease and desist order may be issued by the Association s Board of Directors against such infractions and, upon failure of such infractor(s) to comply with said order, denial of the use of Association property for such practices may be ordered by the Board and/or suspension of membership may be initiated pursuant to Section 2.5, supra.

For over ten years of this hateful behavior has deprived Association members the retirement Lifestyle as provided in the governing documents. I would suggest the Board to use common sense and rectify these unscrupulous conditions, it would be a mistake to ignore them again.

I hope I have made myself perfectly clear; if you have any questions do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain A Kramzar - Home-owner

702.828.5049

Summary of 11/16/09 Board Meeting

Mr. Winkel;
I understand that all correspondence sent to the Board of Directors has to be routed through you, the Executive Director (P&P adopted at the 11/16/09 BoD meeting) therefore I request you distribute this e-mail to each member of the Board. Thank you for your assistance.
Mr. President and Members of the Board;
The Legislature has made it clear in Senate Bill 182 (2009 Legislative Session)that an executive board must be responsive to unit's owners by, upon written request, placing a complaint submitted in writing against the board alleging inappropriate action on an executive board meeting agenda. While the section of law amended in SB 182 specifically is addressing the placing of an item on the agenda of an executive board meeting, the new law makes it clear that the board must place an item submitted in writing on the agenda and address it.

(address: deal with a problem - transitive verb to face up to and deal with a problem or issue)

November 16, 2009 agenda item XII RESIDENT COMPLAINTS: # 2 unit owner complaint from Dwain Kramzar stated;
1. DECEPTION: the Board and Management have repeatedly misled, deceived and lied to homeowner's…….
2. SUPPRESSION: Mr. Post and Board of Directors have failed to make Attorney Opinions available to the homeowners; the Attorney Options that were the bases of decisions made that affect the homeowner's property value and lifestyle.
3.  Electoral fraud: Mr. Post and the Board chose to ignore the actions of the officers of the Resident Form involved in ELECTIONEERING…….

The Board/post, avoiding the intent of NRS 1166.3018, chose to amend P&P 1.3.2 Procedure for Unit Owner Complaints, alleging law or Governing Document violations by the Board; these changes in effect gave the Board the method to ignore and avoid addressing Unit Owner Complaints, State Law and Governing Documents;  on this Complaint the Board/post/steinman, motion was, we have heard the complaint and no other action is needed; clearly not a way to face up to and deal with a problem or issue.
Dwain A. Kramzar-unit owner
2624 High Range
702.838.5049

Unit Owner Complaints/November 16, 2009 Sun City Board of Directors Meeting

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

8:28 AM

Mr. Winkel, Sun City Board of Directors,
Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm disappointed but not surprised with the Boards manipulating of the mandated changes in NRS 116 and after reviewing the audio recording of the November 16, 2009 Sun City Board of Directors Meeting I want to set the written record straight. The three events leading up to agenda item XII-1,2,3 - Residents Complaints against the Board are as follows.
1. RESIDENT Comments/Question Sessions- In my prepared statement I stated how saddened that it has taken one year and a change in NRS 116 for this Board to acknowledge this Homeowners concerns affecting this community. I also stated this Complaint would not have been necessary if the Board and Management had used a little Common Sense and by totally ignoring homeowners concerns affecting this community and giving the appearance of WRONG DOING. (the Board had no comment)
2. Agenda Item - X 2,3 UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Item 2. Motion to approve the attached P&P 1.3.2, Procedure for Unit Owner Complaints, alleging law or Governing Document Violation by the Board. Item 3. Discussion and approval of the attached revision to P&P to reflect changes required by law and other changes. (these changes would in effect give the power to the Board to control and dismiss any and all Charges against themselves, therefore nullifying the intent of NRS 116)
3. Agenda Item - XII.2 RESIDENT COMPLAINTS against the Board: these Complaints were 1. DECEPTION;  by repeatedly misleading, deceiving and lying to homeowner's regarding existence of a Business Plan for Sun City. 2. SUPPRESSION: by failing to make Attorney Opinions available to homeowner's. 3. ELECTORAL fraud: by ignoring the actions of the Officers of the Resident Form involved in Candidate Slate making to control Elections. (all the above qualify for Governing Document Violations by the Board) Post asked for a motion, Steinman made a motion that stated "we have heard the complaint and have had conversations with Mr. Kramzar and no other action to be taken at this time" - (the Board chose to ignore and made no offer to resolve these issues)
Let it be noted the Directors and Officers do not have D&O protection when they are knowingly involved in Wrong Doing; as with all House of Cards they eventually fall.
I request these comments be added to the minutes of the November 16, 2009 meeting.
Dwain A. Kramzar/Homeowner
2624 High Range
702.838.5049
Letters to the Board/Ref 
Pasted from <http://daksplace.blogspot.com/search/label/Letters%20to%20the%20Board>

11/16/09 Board Meeting

11/16/09 Board Meeting


11:06 AM


Good morning, my name is Dwain Kramzar


I am a Homeowner/Partner in this Sun City Community


Mr. President & Members of the Board;


Re: Agenda Item XII-2 Residents Complaints


Ladies & Gentlemen, I am saddened that it has taken over one year & a change in Nevada State Law NRS 116 for this Board to acknowledge this Homeowner/Partner concerns affecting this CIC. This Complaint would not
have been necessary if the Board & Management used a little Common Sense in dealing with this matter.


This Board, acting on bad advice, chose to ignore these concerns, this gives the appearance of wrong doing and has contributed to out of control financial LOSSES of this CIC. These LOSSES greatly affect the
Homeowner/Partner's Lifestyle & Property values.


As I stated in my Complaint if you have any questions, do not hesitate to give me a call, backup documents are available
.
I request these comments be placed in the minutes of this meeting.

OBSERVATION & PROPOSAL

David;

Observation: you and I only want the best for our community; however we see these interests from different prospective. From my prospective I view Sun City as a community governed by an HOA and the CC&Rs that are imbedded in your property deed. As a Director your responsibility is to protect the assets of our Association, including By-Laws, CC&R's, Amenities and Lifestyles; a homeowner is a full partner in this common interest community and deserves these protections provided by this community's governing documents and should be respected by leadership and management.

The Board has isolated themselves from the homeowners creating distrust; this lack of trust led to the unacceptable actions by the Boards leadership by not allowing a homeowner the right to speak at the October 19, 2009 Board Meeting. I and many other homeowners have been ignored by the Board and management as outlined in my complaint I delivered October 15, 2009 to the Association office for placement on the November 16th agenda.

Proposal: David, I believe you have the ability and personality to broker a resolve to the problems that are destroying our community, this could be accomplished by all parties sitting around the table like ladies and gentlemen, not at a Board meeting with a Board controlled Residents Comment session. I would suggest enlisting Bud Cook in this project, at this point Bud is not controversial, I am also available if needed.  It is important that both party's, the homeowner and the Board, realize the importance of the Governing Documents of this common interests community and abide by them. The goal would be to solve community concerns without public displays like we had at the October 19th Board meeting.

I would appreciate a response with your thoughts,  

Dwain Kramzar   

702.838.5049 H

702.808.4992 C

Complaints to the Board

Dwain A. Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

Las Vegas, NV 89134

702.838.5049/702.808.4992

Member # 11629000

Mr. Ron Winkel
Executive Director SCSCAI.
9107 Del Webb Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89134

Ref: NRS 116.31087\

Dear Mr. Winkel,

In accordance with NRS 116.31087 as amended by the Nevada State
Legislature in the 2009 Session, I request that you place the
following complaints on the agenda at the Board of Directors meeting
November 16, 2009.

COMPLAINTS:

1. DECEPTION: The Board and Management have repeatedly misled, deceived
and lied to homeowner's regarding existence of a Business Plan for Sun City
businesses creating well over $2,000,000 yearly losses for our community. At
the August 31, 2009 Board meeting I petitioned the Board for the
implantation of a Standard Business Plan for the Sun City Businesses after
finding out that no such Plan existed. President Post has instructed Board
members and Management (Mr. Winkel) not to respond to my correspondence and
ignore issues that pertain to the existence of a Business Plan.

2. SUPPRESSION: Mr. Post and the Board of Directors have failed to make
Attorney Opinions available to the homeowners; the Attorney Opinions were
the bases of decisions made that affect the homeowner's property value and
lifestyle.

3. Electoral fraud: On January 26, 2009 I sent a letter outlining a
blatant case of "ELECTIONEERING" by the officers of the Resident Form to Mr.
Barry Goldman who chaired the Election Committee w/cc: to the BoD. Mr. Barry
Goldman promptly responded with a letter dated January 28, 2009
acknowledging receipt of my correspondence that states "the intention and
purpose of this correspondence is to go on written record...." I did cc:
this correspondence to the Board asking for a written response in this
matter. Mr. Post and the Board chose to ignore these actions of a relatively
small group that has gained control over our Sun City Committee's.

If you require the backup correspondence, please advise

.

RELIEF SOUGHT:

1. Inform the Sun City Summerlin homeowners by US-Mail and the Link
publication regarding the non existence of a Business Plan costing our
community approximately $6500.00 per day. I also request the formation of an
independent Commission to apply the components of a Business Plan for
Established Businesses to the Sun City Businesses.

2. Sun City homeowners demand honesty, openness and transparency from
their elected Board members as stated in the governing documents; therefore.
release all Attorney opinions used in decisions made by the Board on behalf
of the homeowners.

3. Electoral fraud: A prompt and full investigation of the facts
involving the officer's of the Residents Form and their committee members in
the last Sun City election.


Sincerely,

Dwain A. Kramzar

cc: Mr. Richard Post/President
Sun City Board of Directors
State of Nevada Regulatory Agency's

Golf/F&B Losses

Dear Mr. Winkel;

Please understand that I am not trying to interfere with your position here in Sun City nor do I have any problems with you personally. My problem lies with the Board misleading the residents regarding the existence of a Business Plan; it is unfortunate you have to dodge stray arrows the Board is directing at me.

Please allow me to review a few events leading up to where we are. Last December I filed to be a candidate for the Board of Directors; my thinking was this was the only way to introduce a Business Plan to Sun City. In the past any discussion of a Plan was ignored by the Board. At the January 2009 Resident Forum "Meet the Candidate" event candidate Baer chose to mislead the audience by stating there was a plan and I did not know what I was talking about. This is how this all started. The rest of the story: http://daksplace.blogspot.com/search/label/Business%20Plan

July 8, 2009 Mr. Baer replied to my request sent to him and the Board for the Business Plans by saying sarcastically "get them from Robey" which I did. Upon receipt I was surprised to see the brevity of the Business Plan, it was apparent that they were only a "Summary". I told Mr. Robey that I didn't want the Summary I wanted the Business Plan complete with monthly P&L/Balance statements that are needed to control Cash Flow and Expenses.

At the last Board Meeting on August 31, 2009 it became obvious that there was no actual business plan in existence, when one Board member asked, "Isn't there some thing we can give him?"

Due to the huge losses we are experiencing in the Golf/F&B business, drastic action needs to be taken to stop the financial bleeding.

A single page "Summary" which sounds more like an outline of an Employee Performance Report will not be enough. If no actual Business Plan exists, which seems to be the case, then I request that at least 3 consultants be contacted and we request a proposal from them for the preparation of such a document.

This request is being made on behalf of the residents in Sun City Summerlin. Many of our residents are retired and have limited funds on which to live. It would be unfair to burden them with added costs of assessments to subsidize the losses which are being incurred, therefore a comprehensive Business Plan is needed.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

H.702.838.5049

C.702.808.4993

Thanks Director Robey

Mr. Robey;

I am sending you a special thanks for your assistance presenting my request for the Golf/Food & Beverage Business Plans at the August 31, 2009 Board meeting. I am disappointed but not surprised to the fact there are no Plans, just Summaries of plans that do not exist. Now it is apparent why there has been reluctance to disclose these plans by the Board & Management.

It is absolutely necessary to move forward, restablish creditibility and eliminate the $6,500.00 per day drain on our Sun City Community by implementing a Standard Business Plan complete with a monthly P&L/Balance Statement. The "Three Buckets of Money Strategy" has been a disaster

.

If I can be of any assistance to you in the future, do not hesitate to give me a call.

Thanks again,

Dwain Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

702.808.4992

702.838.5049

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Mr. Robey;

I along with many other Sun City Residents are concerned about the growing Business Losses amounting over $2mil yearly in LOSSES. Mr. Winkel, the associations Ex Director, presented his Fy2010 Summary of a Business Plan at the January Budget & Business Plan meeting. I requested a copy of this plan from Mr. Winkel, ED and Mr. Baer in a email to the Board July 8th. This request was ignored by Mr. Winkel and Mr. Baer.

At the August 17 2009 Board Meeting I petitioned the Board to enter my two page request into the minutes of the meeting. I still have not had a response.

Mr. Robey due the resistance shown by Mr. Post, Mr. Winkel and Mr. Baer, I would appreciate you placing my request on the August 31, 2009 Board of Directors Meeting agenda.

Thanks in advance for your help in this matter,

Dwain Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

702.838.5049

http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/08/aug-17-2009-petitionning-sun-city-board.html

http://daksplace.blogspot.com/search/label/Business%20Plan

Aug 17, 2009-Petitionning the Sun City Board of Directors

Sun City Board of Directors
Mr. Richard Post, President
Allan Baer, Finance,
Mr. Ron Winkel, Executive Director

August 17, 2009 I petitioned the Board for the implantation of a Standard Business Plan, complete with a monthly P&L and Balance Statement that is mandatory business procedure. There has been a reluctance to produce a Business Plan by the BoD in the past, this includes the Executive Director (a non voting member of the Board). Due to the lack of professional guidance by the Executive Director, this has cost our Sun City Community over $6,575.00 per day for a total exceeding $12,000,000.

CONCLUSIONS:

• The FY2010 Business Plan Summary presented by Mr. Winkel is NOT A Business Plan, Mr. Winkel reluctantly admitted there was not a Executive Summary of a Business plan, there is no Plan!
• The reluctance of the Board to produce a Business Plan for the residents is Not Acceptable.
• The reluctance of the Board to address LOSSES of this magnitude is Not Acceptable.
• It is MANDITORY to form an independent Commission to apply the components of Business Plan for an Established Business to the Sun City Business.

The Sun City Community is expecting a response,

Dwain Kramzar
2426 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049
M-702.808.4992

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dwain Kramzar <dkramzar@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Subject: Petitionning the Sun City Board of Directors
To: Dwain A Kramzar <dkramzar@embarqmail.com>


Dear Sun City Friends & Neighbors;
I will be petitioning the Sun City Board of Directors for the implantation of a Standard Business Plan for the Sun City Business at the Aug 17th Board Meeting. My written request for a Standard Business Plan to be placed in the July 20, 2009 Board Meeting was denied by Mr. Post/President and I was instructed that any request had to be presented at the Resident Comments portion of the BoD meeting & must be in PERSON. (Links below)

Thanks in advance for your support,
Dwain Kramzar
702.808.4992

SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR A BUSINESS PLAN BY


1. ENDORSE & FOWARD THIS E-MAIL TO TEN OF YOUR SUN CITY FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS
2. ATTENDING THE AUG 17TH SUN CITY BOARD MEETING

Mismanagement cost Sun City $6,575.3425 per day!

http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/08/petitioning-sun-city-board-of-directors.html
http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/07/request-of-board.html
http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/07/business-plan-for-established-business.html



$2,400,000(LOSS) / 365=$6,575.3425

--
DAK

PETITIONING the Sun City Board of Directors

Good morning….
My name is Dwain Kramzar I live at 2426 High Range Drive, I am a Sun
City home owner for twelve years.

I HAD A VISION: After a 45 yr Business Career in central Illinois my wife & I retired….Like all of you, We purchased our retirement home here in Sun City to enjoy the Amenities, Social & Recreational Activities under the protection of Sun City's governing documents, Bylaws & CC&R's.. ..In the more than ten years I have lived in Sun City there has been a lot of changes that includes Higher Dues, Assessments and a loss of many of the Amenities & Services due to the lack of a POSITIVE VISION, COMMON SENSE OR BUSINESS PLAN.

July 17th I wrote a written request addressed to Mr. Post-President, Mr. Winkel-ED & The Sun City Board. I requested a written copy of the 2010 Business Plan that the Treasure Mr. Baer insisted was a matter of record. Mr. Baer acting as spokesman for the Board responded by criticizing my request and directed me to obtain copies from Mr. Robey, that I did. These copies reflects that these are summaries not Business Plans, just as I said to Mr. Baer in the past.

The $2mill LOSSES and mismanagement of Sun City businesses can not be
justified by a one page summary; where is the accountability? I
VERBALLY REQUESTED THIS CORRESPONDENCE containing comments be PLACED
into the minutes of July 20th Sun City Board Meeting. Mr. Post finally
responded with a refusal to allow my written correspondence into the
minutes of the July 20th meeting, WHY? Mr. Post said it was mandatory
for me to present my request to the Board in person; not by a
representative, WHY? This would have been impossible due the fact I
would be out of the state for two weeks.

I also request the formation of an independent Commission to apply
the components of Business Plan for an Established Business to the Sun
City Business.

Mr. President, I respectfully request the two pages I have here at the
meeting be placed into the minutes of this meeting as read.

Request of the Board

Wednesday, July 15, 2009

7:34 AM

Sun City Board of Directors

Mr. Post, President

Mr. Winkel, ED

July 8th I requested a written copy of the 2010 Business Plan that the
Treasure Mr. Baer insisted was a matter of record. Mr. Baer acting as
spokesman for the Board responded by criticizing my request and
directed me to obtain copies from Mr. Robey, that I did. These copies
reflects that these are summaries not Business Plans, just as I said
to Mr. Baer. The $2mill LOSSES and mismanagement of Sun City
businesses can not be justified by a one page summary; where is the
accountability? (backup correspondence attached below)

Therefore I request this correspondence be read into the minutes of
the January 20th Sun City Board meeting. I also request the formation
of an independent Commission to apply the components of Business Plan
for an Established Business to the Sun City Business.

If I can be of assistance do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

H-702.838.5049

M=702.808.4992

--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Dwain Kramzar <dKramzar@embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Dwain Kramzar <dKramzar@embarqmail.com>

Subject: RE: Business Plan

To: "'Allan Baer'" <abaer@cox.net>, RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM, "'Allan
Baer/IT'" <abaer@suncitylv.com>, BobRobey@cox.net, "'Cook, Orin "Bud"
'" <bcook@suncitylv.com>, dwsteinman@cox.net, "'Ken Caroccia'"
<kcaroccia@cox.net>, "'Marilyn LeVasseur'" <levasseur07@cox.net>,
"'Pat Cullen'" <scscullen@cox.net>, "'Richard Post'"
<rpost579@cox.net>

Cc: "'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'" <DKramzar.daksplace@blogger.com>,
SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 12:30 PM

Mr. Baer;

Let's cut to the chase! I do not understand why there is a resistance to a

Standard Business Plan by you & the management. FYI: my views have

absolutely nothing to do with a Standard Business Plan. As I stated before

"you have an opportunity to bring these LOSSES to a halt and it won't cost

the community one dime" this is a chance for you to do something great for

our community. The Business Plan conversation you refer to at the January

"Meet the Candidates" meeting was a mystery plan and has never been

published. It is impossible to be misleading about a hypothetical Business

Plan you referred to in my January 18th Email. In the future remember; "If

you ain't read it I ain't said it"

It's time to end the games & move forward,

Dwain Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----

From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:12 AM

To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT';

BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia';

'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'

Cc: 'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'; SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: Business Plan

Mr. Kramzar,

At the Meet The Candidates Meeting last January you describe

what a business plan should look like in your view, I simply stated that

SCSCAI business plans were not in that format.

Since then another set has been generated, one by each

department head. Ron Winkel send out a set over four or five emails between

February 19th and the 23rd to the whole Board. Just as Robey for copies.

As you did in an email back on January 18th you are

misrepresenting what I said, please stop.

Allan Baer

"Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to

be real

must be unaffected by outside circumstances" Mahatma

Gandhi

_____________________________________________

From: Dwain Kramzar [mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:44 AM

Subject: FW: Business Plan

Mr. Baer;

Sun City Board of Directors;

Mr. Baer, I am addressing this correspondence to you because

at the Meet The Candidates Meeting last January you insisted Sun City had a

Business Plan; however when asked directly to produce the written plan you

were hesitant and admitted the plan was not formal just a number of ideas.

Also last January you and I both attended Mr. Winkel's Budget & Business

Plan Meeting where he presented ten Department Summary's he labeled as

Business Plans. You and the other Board members didn't seem to have any

problems with these Summaries or the $2mil plus LOSSES. I and other Sun City

residents expressed the need for a Plan in the past only to be ignored. I

have attached a Business Plan for an Established Business

<http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/07/business-plan-for-established-busines

s.html> and highlighted some of the key components needed to have a

successful business operation. Allan, you have an opportunity to bring these

LOSSES to a halt and it won't cost the community one dime; please use your

influence.

<< File: Business Plan for an Established Business.docx >>

Sun City residents deserve to have the Lifestyle of an

efficient well run community.

Dwain Kramzar

2624 High Range Dr.

702.838.5049

Posted by DAK at 1:33 PM 0 comments Links to this post

Labels: Business Plan, Letters to the Board

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RE: Business Plan

Mr. Silver;

Your point #3 you said you had an opportunity to review the first cut of the Executive Director’s Business Plan that he presented to the Board. Mr. Baer stated Ron Winkel sent out a set over four or five emails between February 19th and the 23rd to the whole Board pertaining to sets of Business Plans. Question; are any Plans Mr. Baer mentions different that the ones presented at the January Budget & Business Plan meeting? These ten plans were Department Summaries not Business Plans. (Sunday, June 28, 2009 Business Plan & Market Share) (Monday, July 6, 2009 PLAN YOUR WORK-WORK YOUR PLAN)

Do you know if the plans that Mr. Baer talks about are posted?

Dwain Kramzar

702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernard Silver [mailto:silverinvegas@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:33 PM
To: 'Allan Baer'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net
Cc: 'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'; SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com; Assy. BERNIE ANDERSON; STAVROS ANTHONY; STAN BJONERUD; Sen. Allison Copening; BRIAN GREENSPUN; ASSY. JOHN HAMBRICK; HERB JAFFE; SUMMERLIN NEWS; DAN ROBERTS
Subject: RE: Business Plan

Dear Mr. Kramzar. I believe it to be self evident that the following condition exist in Sun City Summerlin and they have a very depressing influence on prospective purchasers of properties in this community: 1. Cumulative losses from 2 supposedly self supporting businesses ....... greater than $2,000,000. 2. Current losses from these 2 businesses, prior to the moving of expenses to other activities ........ greater than $2,000,000 per year. 3. Either the Board, and or the Executive Director, do not have any understanding of a standard, normal, or workable BUSINESS PLAN, or they are deliberately not willing to prepare one for fear that with measured goals and time lines to which they may be measured they would be recognized to be less than 'businesslike'. I did get an opportunity to review the first cut at a Business Plan that the Exec Dir presented to the Board. With my many years in the commercial for profit business world this effort was ludicrous. If I had presented something like that to any of my supervisors I would have been ejected and given a short time to come up with something suitable to take to the bank in order to apply for a business loan. 4. This Sun City Community is managed on the basis that it is impossible to declare bankruptcy ( a FACT) and that all losses can be covered by increasing Members Annual Dues, taxes on new owners via the New Owner Reserve Assessment, and of course with Special Assessments as we have had in the past, to a level of over $6,000,000. 5. The philosophy prevails that any losses, or costs, when divided by the 7,781 unit owners will be relatively small. That's how a $5,446,700 Special Assessment for Golf Reserves was implemented. 6. This Treasurer and most of his fellow Board Directors appear to be unwilling to resolve the severe financial problems and they get away with it. They show a Budget that has a small surplus at the end of the Fiscal Year. Few readers recognize that submerged in the Budget are the amounts of money to cover the losses with a little surplus. This FY 2010, taking into consideration the new era of shifting about $300,000 out of the Golf Operating Expenses the losses are estimated to be about $2,300,000. As far as I'm concerned Mr. Kramzar, unless the Treasurer moves quickly to get a Business Plan implemented that is one that meets the normal standards, he and the Finance Committee members are doing a major disservice to this community and are heavily responsible for growing losses and some of the decreasing property values. Bernard Silver --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Dwain Kramzar <dKramzar@embarqmail.com> wrote: From: Dwain Kramzar <dKramzar@embarqmail.com> Subject: RE: Business Plan To: "'Allan Baer'" <abaer@cox.net>, RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM, "'Allan Baer/IT'" <abaer@suncitylv.com>, BobRobey@cox.net, "'Cook, Orin "Bud" '" <bcook@suncitylv.com>, dwsteinman@cox.net, "'Ken Caroccia'" <kcaroccia@cox.net>, "'Marilyn LeVasseur'" <levasseur07@cox.net>, "'Pat Cullen'" <scscullen@cox.net>, "'Richard Post'" <rpost579@cox.net> Cc: "'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'" <DKramzar.daksplace@blogger.com>, SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 12:30 PM Mr. Baer; Let's cut to the chase! I do not understand why there is a resistance to a Standard Business Plan by you & the management. FYI: my views have absolutely nothing to do with a Standard Business Plan. As I stated before "you have an opportunity to bring these LOSSES to a halt and it won't cost the community one dime" this is a chance for you to do something great for our community. The Business Plan conversation you refer to at the January "Meet the Candidates" meeting was a mystery plan and has never been published. It is impossible to be misleading about a hypothetical Business Plan you referred to in my January 18th Email. In the future remember; "If you ain't read it I ain't said it" It's time to end the games & move forward, Dwain Kramzar 2624 High Range Dr. 702.838.5049 -----Original Message----- From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:12 AM To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post' Cc: 'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'; SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Business Plan Mr. Kramzar, At the Meet The Candidates Meeting last January you describe what a business plan should look like in your view, I simply stated that SCSCAI business plans were not in that format. Since then another set has been generated, one by each department head. Ron Winkel send out a set over four or five emails between February 19th and the 23rd to the whole Board. Just as Robey for copies. As you did in an email back on January 18th you are misrepresenting what I said, please stop. Allan Baer "Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances" Mahatma Gandhi _____________________________________________

RE: Business Plan

Dear Mr. Kramzar. I believe it to be self evident that the following condition exist in Sun City Summerlin and they have a very depressing influence on prospective purchasers of properties in this community: 1. Cumulative losses from 2 supposedly self supporting businesses ....... greater than $2,000,000. 2. Current losses from these 2 businesses, prior to the moving of expenses to other activities ........ greater than $2,000,000 per year. 3. Either the Board, and or the Executive Director, do not have any understanding of a standard, normal, or workable BUSINESS PLAN, or they are deliberately not willing to prepare one for fear that with measured goals and time lines to which they may be measured they would be recognized to be less than 'businesslike'. I did get an opportunity to review the first cut at a Business Plan that the Exec Dir presented to the Board. With my many years in the commercial for profit business world this effort was ludicrous. If I had presented something like that to any of my supervisors I would have been ejected and given a short time to come up with something suitable to take to the bank in order to apply for a business loan. 4. This Sun City Community is managed on the basis that it is impossible to declare bankruptcy ( a FACT) and that all losses can be covered by increasing Members Annual Dues, taxes on new owners via the New Owner Reserve Assessment, and of course with Special Assessments as we have had in the past, to a level of over $6,000,000. 5. The philosophy prevails that any losses, or costs, when divided by the 7,781 unit owners will be relatively small. That's how a $5,446,700 Special Assessment for Golf Reserves was implemented. 6. This Treasurer and most of his fellow Board Directors appear to be unwilling to resolve the severe financial problems and they get away with it. They show a Budget that has a small surplus at the end of the Fiscal Year. Few readers recognize that submerged in the Budget are the amounts of money to cover the losses with a little surplus. This FY 2010, taking into consideration the new era of shifting about $300,000 out of the Golf Operating Expenses the losses are estimated to be about $2,300,000. As far as I'm concerned Mr. Kramzar, unless the Treasurer moves quickly to get a Business Plan implemented that is one that meets the normal standards, he and the Finance Committee members are doing a major disservice to this community and are heavily responsible for growing losses and some of the decreasing property values. Bernard Silver --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Dwain Kramzar <dKramzar@embarqmail.com> wrote: From: Dwain Kramzar <dKramzar@embarqmail.com> Subject: RE: Business Plan To: "'Allan Baer'" <abaer@cox.net>, RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM, "'Allan Baer/IT'" <abaer@suncitylv.com>, BobRobey@cox.net, "'Cook, Orin "Bud" '" <bcook@suncitylv.com>, dwsteinman@cox.net, "'Ken Caroccia'" <kcaroccia@cox.net>, "'Marilyn LeVasseur'" <levasseur07@cox.net>, "'Pat Cullen'" <scscullen@cox.net>, "'Richard Post'" <rpost579@cox.net> Cc: "'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'" <DKramzar.daksplace@blogger.com>, SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 12:30 PM Mr. Baer; Let's cut to the chase! I do not understand why there is a resistance to a Standard Business Plan by you & the management. FYI: my views have absolutely nothing to do with a Standard Business Plan. As I stated before "you have an opportunity to bring these LOSSES to a halt and it won't cost the community one dime" this is a chance for you to do something great for our community. The Business Plan conversation you refer to at the January "Meet the Candidates" meeting was a mystery plan and has never been published. It is impossible to be misleading about a hypothetical Business Plan you referred to in my January 18th Email. In the future remember; "If you ain't read it I ain't said it" It's time to end the games & move forward, Dwain Kramzar 2624 High Range Dr. 702.838.5049 -----Original Message----- From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:12 AM To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post' Cc: 'Sun City Summerlin-Blog'; SCS-DS@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Business Plan Mr. Kramzar, At the Meet The Candidates Meeting last January you describe what a business plan should look like in your view, I simply stated that SCSCAI business plans were not in that format. Since then another set has been generated, one by each department head. Ron Winkel send out a set over four or five emails between February 19th and the 23rd to the whole Board. Just as Robey for copies. As you did in an email back on January 18th you are misrepresenting what I said, please stop. Allan Baer "Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances" Mahatma Gandhi _____________________________________________ From: Dwain Kramzar [mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:44 AM Subject: FW: Business Plan Mr. Baer; Sun City Board of Directors; Mr. Baer, I am addressing this correspondence to you because at the Meet The Candidates Meeting last January you insisted Sun City had a Business Plan; however when asked directly to produce the written plan you were hesitant and admitted the plan was not formal just a number of ideas. Also last January you and I both attended Mr. Winkel's Budget & Business Plan Meeting where he presented ten Department Summary's he labeled as Business Plans. You and the other Board members didn't seem to have any problems with these Summaries or the $2mil plus LOSSES. I and other Sun City residents expressed the need for a Plan in the past only to be ignored. I have attached a Business Plan for an Established Business <http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/07/business-plan-for-established-busines s.html> and highlighted some of the key components needed to have a successful business operation. Allan, you have an opportunity to bring these LOSSES to a halt and it won't cost the community one dime; please use your influence. << File: Business Plan for an Established Business.docx >> Sun City residents deserve to have the Lifestyle of an efficient well run community. Dwain Kramzar 2624 High Range Dr. 702.838.5049

RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Ron Winkel, ED
Mr. Richard Post, President
Board of Directors, Sun City Summerlin

Mr. Winkel, I am disturbed but not surprised
that you and the Board chose to ignore my concerns of questionable
activities, interfering with the Election process (January 26th Email).
Evidently you and the Board don't take the rite to vote very seriously.
Moreover it's not very professional for the Board's spokesman, Mr. Baer to
attack me and three unconnected residents then not even mention the subject
matter; this has the appearance of a smoke screen. This tactic is the
Board's SOP.

Mr. Winkel, in the past I have addressed
valid concerns directly to you and the Board for the betterment of our Sun
City Community in mind only to be ignored; now you leave me no choice but to
go public with this problem.

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

PS: I recommend to potential home buyers in
this HOA that they attend at least one BoD meeting before they sign on the
dotted line!

-----Original Message-----
From: Dwain Kramzar [mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:14 PM
To: 'Allan Baer'; 'RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM'; 'Allan Baer/IT';
'BobRobey@cox.net'; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; 'dwsteinman@cox.net'; 'Ken
Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: 'rwhkc@earthlink.net'; 'DON GELBMAN'; 'Benard Silver';
Sun City Summerlin-Blog
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Baer;
Let's get one thing straight I petitioned my Sun City Board
January 26, 2009 with a valid concern for our community, a blatant case of
ELECTIONEERING. The Board chose to ignore this potential violation of State
and Federal laws. In the last City of Las Vegas election this group was at
it again with their recommendations. On June 28, 2009 I addressed Mr. Winkle
(the Certified Professional) and the Board to inform them that these
conditions were still going on and need to be addressed.

Mr. Baer it is evident by your arrogant attitude along with
evading the issue and by involving your own personal problems you are
creating a smoke screen to protect this cabal. The only dog I have in this
fight is my property and community; may I suggest you buy the same dog.

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:11 PM
To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM;
'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net;
'Ken Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: rwhkc@earthlink.net; 'DON GELBMAN';
'Benard Silver'
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Kramzar,

It appears that in your vernacular a civil
conversation includes "Dazzle with your brilliance or baffle with you Bull
S...." that fits quite well with Don Gelbman's, so talk among yourselves.

Allan Baer
"Each one has to find his peace from within.
And peace to be real
must be unaffected by outside circumstances"
Mahatma Gandhi

_____________________________________________
From: Dwain Kramzar
[mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: 'Allan Baer'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan
Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken
Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: rwhkc@earthlink.net; DON GELBMAN; Benard
Silver
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Baer;
There you go again trying to "Dazzle with
your brilliance or baffle with you Bull S...." Pay attention who I addressed
this correspondence to. I pointed out that Mr. Winkle is the professional
and ultimately he is the one that be held accountable for the advice or lack
of advice given the Board. Robert Hall, Don Gelbman or Benard Silver has
absolutely nothing to do with this correspondence; just what are you trying
to say?

Mr. Baer anytime you or the Board would like
to have a civil conversation; do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:07 PM
To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM;
'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net;
'Ken Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Dwain Kramzar,
Did you follow Barry Goldman suggestion on
go to the CCOC ? That is the committee that gave Robert Hall some
satisfaction against RF. By saying that the "cabal not only has control
over who serves on committee's ........" you just indicted the whole Board
of Directors, so why write to us?
The only conspiratorial group of plotters I
know of include Bernard Silver and Donald Gelbman.

Allan Baer
"Each one has to find his peace from within.
And peace to be real
must be unaffected by outside circumstances"
Mahatma Gandhi
(Recipient List Suppressed)

_____________________________________________
From: Dwain Kramzar
[mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:57 AM
To: RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; Allan Baer/IT;
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; Ken Caroccia;
Marilyn LeVasseur; Pat Cullen; Richard Post
Cc: Sun City Summerlin-Blog
Subject: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Ron Winkle, ED
Mr. Richard Post, President
Board of Directors, Sun City Summerlin

On January 26, 2009 I sent a letter
outlining a blatant case of ELECTIONEERING to Mr. Barry Goldman who chaired
the Election Committee w/Cc: to the BoD
(http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/01/electioneering.html). Mr. Barry
Goldman promptly responded with a letter dated January 28, 2009
(http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_21.html ) acknowledging
receipt of my correspondence that states "the intention and purpose of this
correspondence is to go on written record...." I have Cc: this
correspondence to the Board. Although the damage has already been done; it
is President Post and the Board's responsibility to rectify this type of
conduct by replacing the Officers of the Residents Form this would send a
loud message that this kind of conduct is not tolerated by any special
interest group. As a Candidate and a homeowner of this Association I would
appreciate a written response telling me how the Board will handle this
matter. As of June 27, 2009 the Board has chosen to ignore the actions of a
relatively small group that has gained control over our Sun City
Committee's.

This cabal not only has control over who
serves on committee's, but also through their position as officers of the
Residents Form and two News Letters and a Chat Line that distorts Sun City
information. They take it upon themselves to indorse political candidates
and degrade the candidates they do not indorse. I realize the Board has D&O
coverage; however Mr. Winkle has the professional responsibility to advise
the Board when there is a possible violation of State and Federal Laws
including electioneering. The "Sun City News You Can Use" publication
gathered their distribution list from sign up sheets at the Residents Form
meetings, and then turned them over to a professional Email Marketing
Company. The "Village Voice" on the other hand ditto's the Board and goes on
to state it's not for debate of an issue-only the facts as the Editor sees
them????

Please remove this cancer from our Sun City
community,

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

SUN CITY NEWS YOU CAN USE

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RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Baer;
Let's get one thing straight I petitioned my Sun City Board January 26, 2009
with a valid concern for our community, a blatant case of ELECTIONEERING.
The Board chose to ignore this potential violation of State and Federal
laws. In the last City of Las Vegas election this group was at it again with
their recommendations. On June 28, 2009 I addressed Mr. Winkle (the
Certified Professional) and the Board to inform them that these conditions
were still going on and need to be addressed.

Mr. Baer it is evident by your arrogant attitude along with evading the
issue and by involving your own personal problems you are creating a smoke
screen to protect this cabal. The only dog I have in this fight is my
property and community; may I suggest you buy the same dog.

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:11 PM
To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT';
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia';
'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: rwhkc@earthlink.net; 'DON GELBMAN'; 'Benard Silver'
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Kramzar,

It appears that in your vernacular a civil conversation
includes "Dazzle with your brilliance or baffle with you Bull S...." that
fits quite well with Don Gelbman's, so talk among yourselves.

Allan Baer
"Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to
be real
must be unaffected by outside circumstances" Mahatma
Gandhi
_____________________________________________
From: Dwain Kramzar [mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: 'Allan Baer'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT';
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia';
'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: rwhkc@earthlink.net; DON GELBMAN; Benard Silver
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Baer;
There you go again trying to "Dazzle with your brilliance or
baffle with you Bull S...." Pay attention who I addressed this
correspondence to. I pointed out that Mr. Winkle is the professional and
ultimately he is the one that be held accountable for the advice or lack of
advice given the Board. Robert Hall, Don Gelbman or Benard Silver has
absolutely nothing to do with this correspondence; just what are you trying
to say?

Mr. Baer anytime you or the Board would like to have a civil
conversation; do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:07 PM
To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM;
'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net;
'Ken Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Dwain Kramzar,
Did you follow Barry Goldman suggestion on
go to the CCOC ? That is the committee that gave Robert Hall some
satisfaction against RF. By saying that the "cabal not only has control
over who serves on committee's ........" you just indicted the whole Board
of Directors, so why write to us?
The only conspiratorial group of plotters I
know of include Bernard Silver and Donald Gelbman.

Allan Baer
"Each one has to find his peace from within.
And peace to be real
must be unaffected by outside circumstances"
Mahatma Gandhi
(Recipient List Suppressed)

_____________________________________________
From: Dwain Kramzar
[mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:57 AM
To: RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; Allan Baer/IT;
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; Ken Caroccia;
Marilyn LeVasseur; Pat Cullen; Richard Post
Cc: Sun City Summerlin-Blog
Subject: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Ron Winkle, ED
Mr. Richard Post, President
Board of Directors, Sun City Summerlin

On January 26, 2009 I sent a letter
outlining a blatant case of ELECTIONEERING to Mr. Barry Goldman who chaired
the Election Committee w/Cc: to the BoD
(http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/01/electioneering.html). Mr. Barry
Goldman promptly responded with a letter dated January 28, 2009
(http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_21.html ) acknowledging
receipt of my correspondence that states "the intention and purpose of this
correspondence is to go on written record...." I have Cc: this
correspondence to the Board. Although the damage has already been done; it
is President Post and the Board's responsibility to rectify this type of
conduct by replacing the Officers of the Residents Form this would send a
loud message that this kind of conduct is not tolerated by any special
interest group. As a Candidate and a homeowner of this Association I would
appreciate a written response telling me how the Board will handle this
matter. As of June 27, 2009 the Board has chosen to ignore the actions of a
relatively small group that has gained control over our Sun City
Committee's.

This cabal not only has control over who
serves on committee's, but also through their position as officers of the
Residents Form and two News Letters and a Chat Line that distorts Sun City
information. They take it upon themselves to indorse political candidates
and degrade the candidates they do not indorse. I realize the Board has D&O
coverage; however Mr. Winkle has the professional responsibility to advise
the Board when there is a possible violation of State and Federal Laws
including electioneering. The "Sun City News You Can Use" publication
gathered their distribution list from sign up sheets at the Residents Form
meetings, and then turned them over to a professional Email Marketing
Company. The "Village Voice" on the other hand ditto's the Board and goes on
to state it's not for debate of an issue-only the facts as the Editor sees
them????

Please remove this cancer from our Sun City
community,

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

SUN CITY NEWS YOU CAN USE

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