RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Baer;
Let's get one thing straight I petitioned my Sun City Board January 26, 2009
with a valid concern for our community, a blatant case of ELECTIONEERING.
The Board chose to ignore this potential violation of State and Federal
laws. In the last City of Las Vegas election this group was at it again with
their recommendations. On June 28, 2009 I addressed Mr. Winkle (the
Certified Professional) and the Board to inform them that these conditions
were still going on and need to be addressed.

Mr. Baer it is evident by your arrogant attitude along with evading the
issue and by involving your own personal problems you are creating a smoke
screen to protect this cabal. The only dog I have in this fight is my
property and community; may I suggest you buy the same dog.

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:11 PM
To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT';
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia';
'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: rwhkc@earthlink.net; 'DON GELBMAN'; 'Benard Silver'
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Kramzar,

It appears that in your vernacular a civil conversation
includes "Dazzle with your brilliance or baffle with you Bull S...." that
fits quite well with Don Gelbman's, so talk among yourselves.

Allan Baer
"Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to
be real
must be unaffected by outside circumstances" Mahatma
Gandhi
_____________________________________________
From: Dwain Kramzar [mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: 'Allan Baer'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; 'Allan Baer/IT';
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; 'Ken Caroccia';
'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Cc: rwhkc@earthlink.net; DON GELBMAN; Benard Silver
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Baer;
There you go again trying to "Dazzle with your brilliance or
baffle with you Bull S...." Pay attention who I addressed this
correspondence to. I pointed out that Mr. Winkle is the professional and
ultimately he is the one that be held accountable for the advice or lack of
advice given the Board. Robert Hall, Don Gelbman or Benard Silver has
absolutely nothing to do with this correspondence; just what are you trying
to say?

Mr. Baer anytime you or the Board would like to have a civil
conversation; do not hesitate to give me a call,

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Baer [mailto:abaer@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:07 PM
To: 'Dwain Kramzar'; RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM;
'Allan Baer/IT'; BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net;
'Ken Caroccia'; 'Marilyn LeVasseur'; 'Pat Cullen'; 'Richard Post'
Subject: RE: ELECTIONEERING

Dwain Kramzar,
Did you follow Barry Goldman suggestion on
go to the CCOC ? That is the committee that gave Robert Hall some
satisfaction against RF. By saying that the "cabal not only has control
over who serves on committee's ........" you just indicted the whole Board
of Directors, so why write to us?
The only conspiratorial group of plotters I
know of include Bernard Silver and Donald Gelbman.

Allan Baer
"Each one has to find his peace from within.
And peace to be real
must be unaffected by outside circumstances"
Mahatma Gandhi
(Recipient List Suppressed)

_____________________________________________
From: Dwain Kramzar
[mailto:dKramzar@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:57 AM
To: RonW@SUNCITYLV.COM; Allan Baer/IT;
BobRobey@cox.net; 'Cook, Orin "Bud" '; dwsteinman@cox.net; Ken Caroccia;
Marilyn LeVasseur; Pat Cullen; Richard Post
Cc: Sun City Summerlin-Blog
Subject: ELECTIONEERING

Mr. Ron Winkle, ED
Mr. Richard Post, President
Board of Directors, Sun City Summerlin

On January 26, 2009 I sent a letter
outlining a blatant case of ELECTIONEERING to Mr. Barry Goldman who chaired
the Election Committee w/Cc: to the BoD
(http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/01/electioneering.html). Mr. Barry
Goldman promptly responded with a letter dated January 28, 2009
(http://daksplace.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_21.html ) acknowledging
receipt of my correspondence that states "the intention and purpose of this
correspondence is to go on written record...." I have Cc: this
correspondence to the Board. Although the damage has already been done; it
is President Post and the Board's responsibility to rectify this type of
conduct by replacing the Officers of the Residents Form this would send a
loud message that this kind of conduct is not tolerated by any special
interest group. As a Candidate and a homeowner of this Association I would
appreciate a written response telling me how the Board will handle this
matter. As of June 27, 2009 the Board has chosen to ignore the actions of a
relatively small group that has gained control over our Sun City
Committee's.

This cabal not only has control over who
serves on committee's, but also through their position as officers of the
Residents Form and two News Letters and a Chat Line that distorts Sun City
information. They take it upon themselves to indorse political candidates
and degrade the candidates they do not indorse. I realize the Board has D&O
coverage; however Mr. Winkle has the professional responsibility to advise
the Board when there is a possible violation of State and Federal Laws
including electioneering. The "Sun City News You Can Use" publication
gathered their distribution list from sign up sheets at the Residents Form
meetings, and then turned them over to a professional Email Marketing
Company. The "Village Voice" on the other hand ditto's the Board and goes on
to state it's not for debate of an issue-only the facts as the Editor sees
them????

Please remove this cancer from our Sun City
community,

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range Dr.
702.838.5049

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