Bob, I think your idea of gathering some documents and going to the media has merit, where to start? Johnathan and your efforts appears to be making a difference on the State level. Don Gelbman is making a difference here in SC, however Don can not do it by himself, what he needs is a support network, how can this be accomplished? Is a recall a possibility? What is needed is a sense of Community-pride.
That's enough of my jiber, give me a call when you get a chance.
DAK
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Dwain A. Kramzar
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Mr. Kramzar: During our conversation I said that the tee boxes were not pointed at your house. [his exact words were "I'm on the HF course everyday & the t-boxes were changed & squared off to point to the center poll in the center of the fairway" in other words I didn't know what I am talking about] I also said that we were not ignoring your complaint. It had been adjudicated the prior year. Joe O [by definition of adjudicated the Board has extended it's powers to include those outlined below]
Adjudication
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Adjudication is the legal process by which an arbiter or judge reviews evidence andargumentation including legal reasoning set forth by opposing parties or litigants to come to a decision which determines rights and obligations between the parties involved. Three types of disputes are resolved through adjudication:
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From: dkramzar@gmail.com [mailto:dkramzar@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dwain Kramzar
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:05 PM
To: Joe O'Connell
Cc: David Steinman; DON GELBMAN; Ellen C. Bachman; Ken Caroccia; Marilyn LeVasseur; Sue Papilion; Joe Kelly; My Sun City Summerlin-Blog; Barbara CogarSubject: conversation prior to the 5/9/11 BoD meeting
Mr. Joe O'Connell, SCSCAI President, GOC- Chairman
Per our conversation prior to the 5/9/11 BoD meeting regarding alignment of T-boxes on the fourth hole of Highland Falls. As you see in the attached HighlandFalls4t.jpg there was no modification to the 4th T-boxes as you insisted, Ref Winkel/Kelley High Land Falls Errant Golf Ball Study July 2010. I have attached below a copy of my response to 8/16/10 Board's irresponsible ignoring of their responsibility to the health and welfare of this HOA's members. Section 2 of this document is an aerial overview of the 4th fairway on Highland Falls Golf Course that makes it clear to see why this problem exists and that Mr. Winkel's Golf Staff's recommendations were not a responsible solution.
Joe, as I stated today, my intentions are to ask the Board to revisit my July 1, 2010 registered complaint sent Ron Winkel-ED, SCSCAI Board and Joe Kelley-Director of Golf, this complaint was met with silence and ignored.
Reference documents Links:
Joe, denial that a problem exists never can be the solution and will prove to be the most costly for the Association. Hopefully after the examination of these documented facts the Board will consider rectifying these conditions.
I would appreciate a reply.
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Dwain A. Kramzar -Member #11629000
Thursday, August 19, 2010
8/16/10 SCSCAI Board Meeting
Response-8/16/10 SCSCAI Board MeetingTuesday, August 17, 20108:53 AMMr. David Steinman, PresidentSun City Summerlin Community Association Inc.
Mr. Steinman, as stated in my statement at the BoD meeting yesterday, "I want to make one thing perfectly clear, I am not asking for anything more or less than what is described in Nevada Law and our governing documents. I am asking SCSCAI to rectify this situation before I replace my leaking roof due to the over abundant errant golf balls striking my property causing excessive damage to the roof tile, stucco and personal injury" SCSCAI is responsible for this problem, therefore they are the only one that can rectify this problem. Section 2 of this document is an aerial overview of the 4th fairway on Highland Falls Golf Course that makes it clear to see why this problem exists and that Mr. Winkel's Golf Staff's recommendations were not a responsible solution.
By the BoD's overwhelming silence, under your leadership, It is obvious that you and the Boardshare Mr. Winkel's position that the CC&R's relieve any responsibility of SCSCAI for the health and welfare of this HOA members. This is inconceivable, I believe that health and welfare is a major responsibility of any elected Board of Directors. My understanding of governing documents, which includes the CC&R's, is to protect the homeowners health, welfare and community standards, not to shield Boards and management from their responsibilities.
It is irresponsible for these conditions to be ignored any longer. Just think how it will look when a serious injury happens.
Dwain A. Kramzar-member of SCSCAI2624 High Range Dr.Section 2
Blue Line = ideal line of flight.
Due to the narrow design of this fairway leaves little margin of error.
Trajectory Screens are commonly used on golf courses with this type of problem
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Dwain A. Kramzar
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