Showing posts with label Golf. Show all posts
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Friday, October 24, 2014

Summary of 10/23/14 meeting-Highland Falls G.C. Maintenance Project/4th fairway perimeter

Attendance, 
Sue Papillon, ED/ HOA management, 
Brian Bagwell/Steve, G.C maintenance dept/staff
Charlotte Kuklin, homeowner/member
Dwain Kramzar, homeowner/member

Summary:
  • Frame & focus the issue, uniformity & maintenance outlined in original governing documents.
  • maintenance & landscape design are separate projects.
  • History of project, deterioration is due to the lack of normal maintenance for years without a written job plan creating a whack-a-mole situation
  • Uniformity and erosion was stressed, Completion date put off to Dec/Jan 2015??,
Conclusion:
Highland Falls G.C. Maintenance Project/4th fairway perimeter was initiated April 2014 completion date is now moved to December/January 2015, ten months if completed. Frankly, I don't have much confidence that the ED (management) can reverse a sixteen year deterioration due to a lack of a written job plan. Staff without a written job/project plan are being subjected to a whack-a-mole situation that  causes pressures from residents, this makes an impossible situation for staff to do their job efficiently. Hopefully, the ED can solicit support of BoD's to eliminate this costly condition.

Del Webb Corporation started fazing out their involvement in 1995 leaving the home-owner a written contract that the following paragraph summarizes. 

The community is organized into a community association, Sun City Summerlin Community Association, Inc.  The Association's purpose is, with reasonable governance and rules, to provide for the care and maintenance of the facilities in a cost effective manner, and to create an atmosphere which encourages new and old residents to maintain the active lifestyle they have sought by moving to the community.

The community is organized into a community association, Sun City Summerlin Community Association, Inc.  The Association's purpose is, with reasonable governance and rules, to provide for the care and maintenance of the facilities in a cost effective manner, and to create an atmosphere which encourages new and old residents to maintain the active lifestyle they have sought by moving to the community.

We all owe Sue Papilion-ED a word of thanks for finally addressing this eyesore. 

cc. George/Judy
Dwain Kramzar
(702) 582-8064

Friday, October 10, 2014

Re: Charlotte Kuklin's terrace to Highland Falls golf course

Dear Charlotte,
There are a lot of Sun City home/owners that share our frustrations. Sixteen years ago we chose Sun City Summerlin for the retirement life style and amenities that are outlined in the governing documents and described in Link magazine. 

During this sixteen years all the Board members including the Executive Directors have been well informed of the property damages, personal safety and maintenance issues derived from Highland Falls G.C.  
  
The latest attempt for the Highland Falls G.C. Maintenance Project/4th fairway perimeter was initiated last April only to be stopped by the interim Executive Director. After more home-owners complained the project was restarted with completion scheduled in September, it is now mid October and the project is stalled again.   

Charlotte, what really troubles me is that out Board members, that are our neighbors, have refused to address these and other problems that have been brought to their attention, that's not very neighborly is it? 

Your neighbor and friend,

Dwain Kramzar


On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM, <CKUKLIN@aol.com> wrote:


Hi Brian,,

This is Charlotte Kuklin on Highland Falls Golf Course, hole #4.
Last week  your men took out the purple plants from my back terrace to the golf course. They left the other leafy plants and did not cut the saplings to the Evergreen tree.  Will they be back to take these items out? 
   I assumed last week when we talked that all the leafy vegetation in my terrace was to be removed and rocks and a ground cover was to placed on my terrace as well as neighbors to the north, Kramzars, next door to me, house next to Kramzars and Judy Berens/ George Curcio  terraces and they would all look uniform. There are straw-like stalks coming up through these plants., and I am sure there will be many more to come.   I do not object to the cactus on the terrace, but they do look like they are there with no plan.  Is there finally a plan for these golf course terraces?
We moved here in 1998, 16 years ago, and we have had a situation with the golf balls hitting our south and east walls, and bad plantings on our terrace ever since. .  Brian, isn't it time we all get some relief so we can enjoy the amenities that writers write about in the LINK?   As homeowners in Sun City, I do not feel we are out of line for asking for something we should expect and  that should have been efficiently planned on day one.
Thank you for your help and understanding.
Charlotte Kuklin

Wednesday, August 20, 2014

Re: [SCBuzz] Re: [SC-SCOOP] Re: [SCSLSC] Re: WATER WASTE-SUB ASSOCIATIONS

Don, 
I fully support your position regarding the CC&R's.  
I like you live on Highland Falls G.C. and am well aware of the LOSSES due to Golf & F & B. These LOSSES are a direct result the past Board of Directors refusal to implement a Business Plan/P&L  and the co-mingling of membership dues with business expenses. If these issues are not addressed these business will continue in the same direction.  

It would not make any sense for the Board to contemplate any closures. Whats the probability of success when you consider their past track record?


​Dwain Kramzar



On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM, DON drgtrustpl@cox.net [SCBuzz] <SCBuzz@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Bruce,
As a Director I would certainly want a lot of answers before I voted for anything.  I agree with everything you said and like you I am willing to cover the loss but I do live on a golf course.  Personally I wish they would close it because of the great advantages that would come to every resident and absolutely no harm to the golfers.  I hope the Board takes the necessary steps to get answers for you but when I was a Director they refused to even talk about it.

Most of the people who live on a golf course could probably care less if they ever saw a golfer again.  They payed for the view and that will never change.  Most pay for golf damage and that would change.
Don

On 8/20/2014 1:41 PM, seawolf1963@aol.com [SCBuzz] wrote:
 

Don


Again I appreciate your answer.
For the record I do not agree that we should cut our losses by closing a golf course unless and until I can be shown that:
1 - Closing a golf course will actually save a significant amount.
2 - That there is a plan in place as to what to do with the closed golf course area.
3 - That I am convinced that the probable issues and law suits will be worth the trouble.
I do think that a vast majority of owners realize that a portion of our annual assessment goes toward golf. I also have been told by numerous members that they do not want a golf course to be closed. Further that the ambiance provided is worth the extra money. I am neither a golfer nor do I live on a golf course however I personally am willing to pay the extra today for the golf ambiance. You may disagree and certainly that could change over the years as the golf expenses increase and/or play decreases.
Bruce Alitt
In a message dated 8/20/2014 12:29:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SCBuzz@yahoogroups.com writes:
 
Bruce, that article is to protect the Board but should not be interpreted as requiring a vote to prevent the Board.  I know you are not an attorney but common sense should tell you that if you are losing money on golf and food the Board is required by the CC&Rs to stop without voter approval.  I just put a message on the chat line explaining all of that.  Since you seem to agree that we should cut our loses by closing a golf course if necessary I see no need for any more discussion between us on this issue.

I am not a fan of the way the Board and Administration operate and it is my opinion they have knowingly operated improperly ever since Del Webb left the Board.  They once brought an action against me and when I wanted to defend they dropped the complaint and the state said I could not continue.  That would never have happened in a court of law.  The Board is welcome to file a complaint against me anytime.  At least that would show which Directors understand what being a Fiduciary means.

None of these messages will change anything and I for one would hope the chat lines close if its members are not willing to get involved.  Our losses are only about 1/3 more than they should be and at $107 per month per house most of us can absorb the loss.  The fact remains that no matter what the loss and I expect it to go continually higher the Board has no right to budget for it.
Don Gilman, Esq. 




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Tuesday, August 12, 2014

Highland Falls Maintenance Project 8/5/14 Conversation

Brian, I was pleased to hear the maintenance project is scheduled in September for the Highland Falls G.C. fourth fairway perimeter. Thanks for your efforts.

Summery of conversation:
  • Need for uniformity landscaping on H.F.
  • Erosion solutions
  • Low profile, low maintenance ground cover 
  • Seasonal Maintenance Calender
  • Concerns of neighbors on H.F. G.C.
  • Your solution for errant golf balls. (trajectory screening planting at T-Box)
Brian, I will keep my neighbors informed, thanks again 

Wednesday, December 4, 2013

Recap of Your Dec 3 Response to Highland Falls G.C Problem

David,
Thank you for your phone response to my request for your assistance with the ongoing property damage and safety issues with Highland Falls G.C. You were sympathetic and shared with me that you had some of the same problems with damages to your property. The only suggestion you gave was you elected to install Rolladen Shutters to provide protection against glass breakage. We also discussed the removal of the 150 yard center pole. You're response was, that a decision was made to replace this center pole with two perimeter markers. What I was really expecting was a written response from you as an elected Director and representative of our community. As I stated in the past "it would be insane to make these costly repairs without addressing the cause". Furthermore, I stated that I wanted to make one thing perfectly clear, I am not asking for anything more or less than what is described in Nevada Law and our governing documents. I am asking SCSCAI to rectify this situationFurthermore this HOA is seriously violating NRSS40.140.
  
NRS40.140(1)(a) defines Nuisance as:
Anything which is injurious to health, or indecent and offensive to the senses, or an obstruction to the free use of property, so as to interfere with the comfortable enjoyment of life or property…. Is a nuisance, and the subject of an action may be brought by any person whose property is injuriously affected, or whose personal enjoyment is lessened by the nuisance, and by the judgment the nuisance may be enjoined or abated, as well as damages recovered.

  Another issue we discussed was the shoddy landscaping job on the Highland Falls G.C. you're response was; did I contact the landscape department? My response was that I didn't think it my duty to interfere with the workers.  

Conclusions: 
It appears to me that this HOA, SCSCAI, will continue to refuse
​ to​ acknowledge their responsibility for the health​,​
welfare​ and retirement lifestyle this community was designed to have. It's a shame that this HOA doesn't realize they are depriving the home-owner the use of their property due the the threat of bodily injury. 


​Dwain Kramzar

​2624 High Range ​


Wednesday, November 27, 2013

Re: Highland Falls G.C.

Ms. Patricia Rosa
Executive Director, SCSCAI
Board of Directors,
​Leo Crawford
-President
9107 Del Webb Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89134

​Ms. Rosa, on June 19, 2013 I addressed the attached letter of concern to Director Stienman, w/cc to the BOD, in regards to an ongoing situation with the errant golf balls on Highland Falls GC hole #4 resulting in extensive damages. As I stated in the past "it would be insane to make these costly repairs without addressing the cause".

The history of this HOA has been to ignore and deny that any problem exist, this time is no exception. Therefore, I am sending a copy of the email by registered mail with anticipation of any further action that may be needed.  



Dwain A. Kramzar

​2624 High Range

Las Vegas, Nv 89134​




On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Dwain Kramzar <dkramzar@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Crawford, I must apology about my brief details of the Highland Falls G.C summary sent to Mr. Stienman. I assumed the SCSCAI was well informed of these issues. To better explain the details you say you are unaware of I have attached a couple of links below with the information you requested.



If you have any problems understanding the content or need any additional information, don't hesitate the give me a call. 


​DAK​


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM, <lecrawford@cox.net> wrote:
What design issues and what was the damage you  refer to that you attribute to the golf course


---- Dwain Kramzar <dkramzar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. David Stienman, Director, Golf-oversight Chairman
>
> David, I am addressing this correspondence to you mainly because of your
> long participation on the SCSCAI Board of Directors and now Golf-oversight
> Chairman. Also, as a neighbor to Mrs. Kuklin and myself you are aware of
> our fifteen year struggle brought on by poor design and maintenance
> on Highland Falls G.C.
>
> The results of this fifteen year struggle resulted with the replacement of
> Mrs. Kuklin and my roofs and extensive water damage to the interior of our
> houses. The sad thing about this is that we have to look forward
> to repeating these repairs again, due to the failure of our HOA to address
> these problems.
>
> Another issue is the shoddy maintenance of
> the landscaping adjoining the home-owners properties. Again the HOA has
> failed to address these conditions. The landscaping maintenance was
> addressed two times in my fifteen years as a home-owner, only after many
> request by the residents.  Now a patchwork job comprised of various unruly
> looking plants and diseased and dying cactus. No uniformity in the
> four property project.
>
> David, myself and others have pointed out these conditions in the past only
> to be ignored. Hopefully, you as Golf Oversight chairman can take a closer
> look at this situation for Charlotte, me and the other residents affected.
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>
>
> *​Dwain Kramzar*
> (702) 582-8064
>
> ​


Wednesday, November 20, 2013

PINNACLE: Tennis Courts & Swimming Pool Exposure



ROBERT J. KOPP, P.E.
REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER
3000 GRIDLEY COURT
LAS VEGAS, NV 89134
June 2, 1998
Mr. Robert Passmonick, SCSCAI Secretary
Mountain Shadows, 9107 Del Webb Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89134
PINNACLE:  Tennis Courts & Swimming Pool Exposure
Dear Mr. Passmonick,
Although I have been quite concerned over the actions and decisions the Board has made these past two years, this is being written more in the capacity of a Licensed Professional Engineer, with more than 40 years experience in the field of loss prevention. 
Now, after much encouragement - I did visit the Pinnacle and Eagle Crest Golf Course for the purpose of making a determination as captioned.  There is indeed an exposure to users of these facilities, from golf balls coming in from the 18th fairway.  As I see it, there are two possibilities;
1.      A powerful hitter, off the "T" could hit the cart path and bounce into either facility.
2.      A bad "T" shot would result in a possible bad second shot - and again hitting the cart path or
       airborne could reach these facilities.
My visit was with two other engineers - and as things would have it a foursome coming off the "T" did indeed place their "T" shot at the tennis courts.  The foursome consisted of the General Manager of Pride Dodge, a Mr. Jamie Boast (221-0000), and other members from Pride Dodge.  Being concerned with almost hitting us, Mr. Boast inquired as to our activities and then proceeded to inform us that - he is a regular player at Eagle Crest and has placed several "T" shots into the swimming pool. 
A number of other people have verified that golf balls had indeed entered these facilities, even with the elevation of fencing at the tennis courts. 
I am deeply concerned over the Board's consideration of accepting this facility from the developer with this condition existing.  I respectfully call to the Board's attention Criminal Gross Negligence (Black's Law Dictionary), which emphatically describes the exposure each Board member has, should any of the above scenarios take place.
Mr. Passmonick, on behalf of the many of us who have been watching the Board's activities,  I would like to thank you for looking out for the best interests of those of us who have elected you.  Having served on Associations Boards, I know how difficult it is for one to maintain their integrity, while facing a great deal of adversity. 
                                                            Respectfully submitted,
                                                            Robert J. Kopp, P.E.
C.  BOARD  MEMBERS AND GROUP DISTRIBUTION
FILE:ROBERT J. KOPP

Re: Highland Falls G.C.

Mr. Crawford, I must apology about my brief details of the Highland Falls G.C summary sent to Mr. Stienman. I assumed the SCSCAI was well informed of these issues. To better explain the details you say you are unaware of I have attached a couple of links below with the information you requested.



If you have any problems understanding the content or need any additional information, don't hesitate the give me a call. 


DAK
(702) 582-8064


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:54 PM, <lecrawford@cox.net> wrote:
What design issues and what was the damage you  refer to that you attribute to the golf course


---- Dwain Kramzar <dkramzar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. David Stienman, Director, Golf-oversight Chairman
>
> David, I am addressing this correspondence to you mainly because of your
> long participation on the SCSCAI Board of Directors and now Golf-oversight
> Chairman. Also, as a neighbor to Mrs. Kuklin and myself you are aware of
> our fifteen year struggle brought on by poor design and maintenance
> on Highland Falls G.C.
>
> The results of this fifteen year struggle resulted with the replacement of
> Mrs. Kuklin and my roofs and extensive water damage to the interior of our
> houses. The sad thing about this is that we have to look forward
> to repeating these repairs again, due to the failure of our HOA to address
> these problems.
>
> Another issue is the shoddy maintenance of
> the landscaping adjoining the home-owners properties. Again the HOA has
> failed to address these conditions. The landscaping maintenance was
> addressed two times in my fifteen years as a home-owner, only after many
> request by the residents.  Now a patchwork job comprised of various unruly
> looking plants and diseased and dying cactus. No uniformity in the
> four property project.
>
> David, myself and others have pointed out these conditions in the past only
> to be ignored. Hopefully, you as Golf Oversight chairman can take a closer
> look at this situation for Charlotte, me and the other residents affected.
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>
>
> *​Dwain Kramzar*
> (702) 582-8064
>
> ​

Highland Falls G.C.

Mr. David Stienman, Director, Golf-oversight Chairman

David, I am addressing this correspondence to you mainly because of your long participation on the SCSCAI Board of Directors and now Golf-oversight Chairman. Also, as a neighbor to Mrs. Kuklin and myself you are aware of our fifteen year struggle brought on by poor design and maintenance on Highland Falls G.C.

The results of this fifteen year struggle resulted with the replacement of Mrs. Kuklin and my roofs and extensive water damage to the interior of our houses. The sad thing about this is that we have to look forward to repeating these repairs again, due to the failure of our HOA to address these problems.

Another issue is the shoddy maintenance of the landscaping adjoining the home-owners properties. Again the HOA has failed to address these conditions. The landscaping maintenance was addressed two times in my fifteen years as a home-owner, only after many request by the residents.  Now a patchwork job comprised of various unruly looking plants and diseased and dying cactus. No uniformity in the four property project. 

David, myself and others have pointed out these conditions in the past only to be ignored. Hopefully, you as Golf Oversight chairman can take a closer look at this situation for Charlotte, me and the other residents affected. Thanks for any help you can provide.          


Dwain Kramzar
(702) 582-8064



Friday, January 13, 2012

Re: HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH BJONERUD?

Sue;
I have been following the communications here in Sun City for fourteen years and what I hear has been much the same; excuses for the wrong doings and wait till next year for the solutions, we are hard working volunteer's doing the best we can, everything is wonderful. 

I have a forty-five year business background and realize the importance of having a Business Plan. When I was made aware of the losses and that SCSCAI did not have a basic Business Plan and treated golf and food & beverage business as an HOA amenity that mingled funds with the general budget I became very concerned. In the beginning I was misled by the BoD and management that there was a Business Plan, only to find out none existed. Many members including myself have questioned, why not? and received no answers. 

Sue, for the last ten years I have shared this same message with many on the BoD and every Executive Director however, SCSCAI is no closer of having the accountability of a Business Plan than ten years ago. I have posted many of my communications, including my last one to Ms. Cogar, on My Sun City Blog. Also I would like to [comment] on the highlighted items in your post to Bernie Silver.

Sue, I appreciate your efforts to communicate with the members, the more the better.  

Dwain Kramzar
2624 High Range
702.808.4992        

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:06 AM, SUE PAPILION <spapilion@cox.net> wrote:
Bernie
Ok, I will have to say that some of the things that past board members have been rumored to do or even proved to have done are beyond the pale!  I don't even know people, I hope, that are as egotistical as some must have been.  But will I or anyone else learn from their mistakes?  No.  [YES, I have learned from my many mistakes & my few successes] Do countries learn from going to war?  No they just keep going.

How does a private investigator get some one under oath? [investigators just gather FACTS]  It is not a court room, there is no case. [are fills missing ???]  Suspects lie to police, FBi and investigators all the time. [and they go to jail] We couldn't even file a police report because there is a 12 month window in which the dastardly deed occurred. [what about holding the employee or member accountable?]  Believe me if $5000 would have found the thief, I would have gladly approved that amount.

As far as the restaurants,  I was at the Village Pub yesterday [Audrey & I were there also] and had to wait 40 minutes for a table at 6pm.  There were so many people at the bar ordering food that I had to wait 10 minutes to order a drink.  What makes that place so popular? [it is the positive experience of the customer that brings them back] Food is mediocre at best, the carpeting is filthy and the machines are tighter than Boyds!
If people will go there, they will come to Vista Grill. [WHY?] At least lets try something to improve the losses. 
I too wish to preserve the Golf Courses and I guarantee it will be looked into this year if  [SCSCAI has yet to provide a professional approach, this can't be preformed by a committee]  I have to bring it up every meeting!



Sue.  

On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Bernard Silver wrote:

Sue.
In general you are stating that we should forget the past problems and move ahead solving current ones.
Here is the issue.  The past has been prologue for incoming Board Directors.
The attitude that they may do what they want because the old ones don't pay attention and indeed take their leads on who to vote for from McCanna and Bjonerud who really act as strong advisers in their personally owned publications that goes to thousands.
There is a huge difference in the writing of a threat that this duo made.  It was in my opinion,
clearly equivalent to a "Pay up or else" blackmail.
If I had made that type of written threat you can  bet that the Board would have found a way to
punish me. 
Why didn't they do it to them?  Because many on the Board had been championed
by the duo in prior elections. 
Understand the old quote "Freedom of Speech does not give a person the right to yell FIRE! in a crowded
theater, unless of course, there is one.
Regarding the "Missing Files".  Don't you think it would have been smart to hire an outside investigator
for a mere $5,000  to come on board and ask some questions to some individuals, 'under oath' regarding what they knew or heard?  I do believe that no person who was innocent would have refused to answer simple questions.
What's $5,000 compared to losses of over $2,500,000 ?
Many of us have suggested that we take some action to preserve our golf courses.
This has included having an outside Management Company and considering the rotation of one course
to be idle for a while.  NO RESPONSE!!
As far as the restaurants are concerned, I personally do not believe they will ever break even because just cannot compete with other establishments in the near distance area.  Snack bars for golfers that serve real simple food such as 2 eggs and bacon should be the limit and that could be provided by the Golf Management Company.  One short order cook and self serve.
I do not believe that you know or recognize how our Boards in the past and the Standing Committees
Golf Oversight and the Finance have had members who did not perform as Fiduciaries and betrayed
the community with Conflicts of Interest.
Bernie Silver

From: SUE PAPILION <spapilion@cox.net>
To: Bernard Silver <silverinvegas@yahoo.com>
Cc: "bod@suncitylv.com" <bod@suncitylv.com>; SHEILA MCCANNA <sheilamc@cox.net>; SCBuzz <SCBuzz@yahoogroups.com>; SC-SCOOP <sc-scoop@yahoogroups.com>; DAVID STEINMAN <dwsteinman@cox.net>; STAN BJONERUD <sbj4@cox.net>; SY & HERMAINE HINDEN <syherm@aol.com>; FRED SCHAEFER <S708783@cox.net>; DON GELBMAN <drgtrustpl@cox.net>; PAUL CALLAGHAN <callapa@aol.com>; BARBARA COGAR <barbarac@suncitylv.com>; BOB PASSMONICK <BobEmInc@aol.com>; DWAIN KRAMZAR <dKramzar@embarqmail.com>; EILEEN McKYTON <vegasbaba22@yahoo.com>; ELLIOT <golfman89134@aol.com>; JAN EDWARDS <suncityjanedwards@gmail.com>; Joan Kreisler <jdklk@juno.com>; John Crosswhite <jxwhite@cox.net>; JOHN THOMPSON <lasvegasjohn@cox.net>; JONATHAN FRIEDRICH <emmcor1@aol.com>; "JOSEPH O'CONNELL" <jpocon@cox.net>; LEN KRANE <lenkrane1@gmail.com>; STAN ROSEN <thermoipp@earthlink.net>; TOM BRENNAN <frivvie@cox.net>; WALKER SHARRON <hla@cox.net>; "wkrane1912@aol.com" <wkrane1912@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH BJONERUD?

Bernie,

You are right in the fact that many things have been done by previous Board that are questionable p0-9and today may look like mistakes.  It is up to current and future boards to correct or change them.  It is obvious that continuing to talk about golf rangers is a waste of time because the situation was corrected.  Losses in golf and restaurants does need to be addressed and I have and will continue to push for a plan with options, but realize every golf course in Vegas and across the country are facing the same problems that we have.  Do we fund it and keep it beautiful and playable, do we close 1 or all or do we sell it and/or contract management.  This is above my pay scale and above most who are on the board.  We need expert analysis and then leave the options to town hall informational meetings and a vote by all in our community.

Key employee contracts is not up to our CPA auditor to comment on.  It is up to the board to decide what to do.  A previous Board decided to payout  Ron Winkel from payroll funds.  That can not be changed or fixed.  Let's move on. 

As far as the duo that you claim blackmailed a previous Board.  Is a letter different than what is said on chat lines? Every resident has a right to their opinions.  It is free speech.  No board can change that. Opinions, name calling and open challenges come with the territory of being a Board member.  What would you like to happen to Stan and Sheila?  It's over and time to move on.

The missing files are missing and no one knows when the theft happened.  Every employee (still employed in March) swore they know nothing, heard nothing and saw nothing as does every Board member swear to the same.  Short of water boarding, I don't know what can be done.  HR was moved into the main building and is now alarmed.  The executive director office is now alarmed and current Board members can only see files with someone else present.  It is like locking the barn door after the cow got out...but it is something!    It is over, let's move on.

As far as the restaurants and golf director are concerned:  The new Board will take action when the Executive Director makes a recommendation or takes control of her budgeting process.  As of this moment, there is not a restaurant manager working here and the golf director still runs the restaurants.

I know you love Sun City and want to see things done correctly.  I believe that is my intent and I see that intent in every current board member and everyone who is running for the board. You have to allow for differences in opinions, as there are on every subject.  I like that you push and ask questions.  Let's just push on current and new issues, not ones that are old, done and over!  We can't change the past so let's work on the future.

Sue Papilion
On Jan 12, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Bernard Silver wrote:

Sun City Summerlin Board Secretary, Sue Papilion.
 Sue.
While what you state below is for the most part a rational analysis, be reminded that basically in the beginning, that is when many of us moved into this CIC, the Boards had to copy from the very nebulous management system that was O.K for the developer, but not O.K. for the majority of unit owners.  Whereas Del Webb saved and made money, by having their own sales staff their greatest selling instrument.  They also did well in selling to buyers that here we had low cost golf and annual membership fees.  They capitalized on increasing the size of long term drainage channels into huge perimeter golf courses that were even then, clearly excessive for an age-restricted community.
This provided the seller the opportunity to sell building lots attached to the perimeters at a very large premium.  Nowhere in the deed was there any assurance of what later became an issue relating to a "VIEW".
Suffice it to say that after Del Webb left, the relatively forever diminishing in quantity small group of golfers, 'managed' to control on the books, the expenses of the operations while doing little to increase revenue.
Thus we have had reported "Operational Losses" from the operations of the Golf plus the Food & Beverages that have continued to grow, but are not really representative of actual costs.
Yes, I am being repetitive, but the facts are that succeeding Boards have failed, regardless of prompting by lay unit owners to address the problems which create the losses.
Regardless of whether it is called a Financial Plan or a Business Plan, I claim that the majority of prior and certainly the current Board have failed as 'Fiduciaries'. 
Even when appropriately asked questions have been asked, the trend has been to avoid reasonable and accurate responses.  We the CIC unit owners have been exposed to unwarrented liability risks
from at least three known situations.
At one time at an open meeting, even our outside auditor would not provide a direct response to whether our accounts included a contingency fund for any separation contracts with employees. 
I understand that this auditor at one time agreed with our recently resigned Comptroller that the Rangers should be employees as was decided by the Board in 1998.  So, why didn't the Board
make the correction for 12 years?
Why did the Board ignore taking the appropriate action against the McCanna\Bjonerud duo when they, in writing, threatened the Board regarding a pending action to dismiss the Exec Dir?  This appeared to me to be a huge play to keep a key employee, the Exec Director from being replaced.  Just what did this rebellious duo have in mind in such a forceful play?
Why did the Board vote to not investigate the problem of the 'missing documents' after the HR Director resigned and the key to the files was given to the Business Manager?
Why did the Board give the Golf Director, an additional task, Food & Beverages, along with a new title, Business Manager and a substantial raise, and then tolerate the continuing losses?  Now that the function of managing the restaurants is being taken by hiring a new manager, will there be a compensating adjustment in remuneration?
Sue, all in all the message that I give is this:
All Directors must perform as 'Fiduciaries' and operate in the open unless they meet for legitimate purposes under Executive Session standards.
All Directors do not have to be in agreement on any specific issue before them; they should encourage the expressions of perhaps a minority differing view.
All Directors should be working together to stay away from interfering with the key employees by establishing at the Board level, clear written directions to the Exec Director.
Bottom line,  I do agree that the time is ripe for some new Directors, and I believe it would be appropriate for a couple of the old ones who created, or tolerated, some of our current
problems, to be replaced. 
We must have some changes.
Bernie Silver
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From: Sun City Sue P <scsuep@cox.net>
To: Bernard Silver <silverinvegas@yahoo.com>
Cc: "bod@suncitylv.com" <bod@suncitylv.com>; SHEILA MCCANNA <sheilamc@cox.net>; SCBuzz <SCBuzz@yahoogroups.com>; SC-SCOOP <sc-scoop@yahoogroups.com>; DAVID STEINMAN <dwsteinman@cox.net>; STAN BJONERUD <sbj4@cox.net>; SY & HERMAINE HINDEN <syherm@aol.com>; FRED SCHAEFER <S708783@cox.net>; DON GELBMAN <drgtrustpl@cox.net>; PAUL CALLAGHAN <callapa@aol.com>; BARBARA COGAR <barbarac@suncitylv.com>; BOB PASSMONICK <BobEmInc@aol.com>; DWAIN KRAMZAR <dKramzar@embarqmail.com>; EILEEN McKYTON <vegasbaba22@yahoo.com>; ELLIOT <golfman89134@aol.com>; JAN EDWARDS <suncityjanedwards@gmail.com>; Joan Kreisler <jdklk@juno.com>; John Crosswhite <jxwhite@cox.net>; JOHN THOMPSON <lasvegasjohn@cox.net>; JONATHAN FRIEDRICH <emmcor1@aol.com>; "JOSEPH O'CONNELL" <jpocon@cox.net>; LEN KRANE <lenkrane1@gmail.com>; STAN ROSEN <thermoipp@earthlink.net>; TOM BRENNAN <frivvie@cox.net>; WALKER SHARRON <hla@cox.net>; "wkrane1912@aol.com" <wkrane1912@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH BJONERUD?

I find all these emails and chats on the history of past disputes very interesting and I am sorry for all of you who had to live through these troubles that caused so much bad blood  and anxiety between residents.  But lets remember, that we all have one thing in common...we are retired and came here to enjoy the remaining years of our lives.  So much anger and pompous chest beating is a waste of time,  when we should all be happy to wake up every morning to another day of sunshine and enjoy the activities and our friends here in Sun City.  I thank all of you who worked so hard in the past to help Sun City, but I think it is time to move on to the present.  Last night's Resident Forum's presentation of the candidates is that future and gives us all a good choice of candidates to move SCSCAI toward the goals that are important to you.  I thought it was a good turn out of interested residents and I was happy that it was very civil.  Let's move on and be happy that we have live to see another day.

Sue Papilion
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Dwain A. Kramzar

Sunday, July 3, 2011

Petition the SCSCAI Board of Directors

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Petition the SCSCAI Board of Directors


Dear Sun City home-owner;

Background:
History: for the past 13-14 years normal maintenance on the Sun City golf courses has been treated by the Maintenance Dept. as stated by Joe Kelley as "special projects". Normal maintenance such as weed control, trash removal, mowing and irrigation systems should be scheduled on a live calendar not generated by the home-owner or to be treated as a "special project". In the past the home-owner was required to generate the w/o in order to bring attention to any repairs needed on the Highland Falls G C property bordering our homes. 

Summary:
Please sign the petition and encourage others to do so and ensure the SCSCAI Board or Directors listens to people in Sun City Summerlin, and home-owners generally, and is left in no doubt about the very strong support for this vitally important neglect of high standard of care in providing for the repair, management and maintenance of said property in Sun City Summerlin.

 Petition: We the undersigned, call on the SCSCAI Board of Directors to provide maintenance and management to the golf course landscaping as outlined in the CC&R's-ARTICLE X-MAINTENANCE. This maintenance is needed in order to provide the Sun City Summerlin with a high pride of ownership also outlined in the CC&R's.